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	<title>Comments on: FolderView is the awesome?! [updated]</title>
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		<title>By: Inder</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-235937</link>
		<dc:creator>Inder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi 

i am using Ubuntu and installed kde on it,
i want my plasma desktop folder back on kde desktop
i tried as you had said in ur article above folder view.

but still i am not able to enable it..
to get my desktop files i have to go to dolphin file explorer..

so can u pls help out

how to get it back..

pls reply in detail

pls email at ipskhurana@gmail.com
thanks n rgds
Inder
India</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi </p>
<p>i am using Ubuntu and installed kde on it,<br />
i want my plasma desktop folder back on kde desktop<br />
i tried as you had said in ur article above folder view.</p>
<p>but still i am not able to enable it..<br />
to get my desktop files i have to go to dolphin file explorer..</p>
<p>so can u pls help out</p>
<p>how to get it back..</p>
<p>pls reply in detail</p>
<p>pls email at <a href="mailto:ipskhurana@gmail.com">ipskhurana@gmail.com</a><br />
thanks n rgds<br />
Inder<br />
India</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-186658</link>
		<dc:creator>Lydia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, it was not at all my intention to sound arrogant or tell people that what they feel is irrelevant. Contrary. What I did was show people all the new and cool stuff they can do with their new desktop in a rough time when a vocal minority bashed it publicly.

So about your concerns: If you feel that KDE 4.1 is not ready for you: fine! Absolutely no problem. Keep using KDE 3 for the time being. Noone is going to call you names for it ;-)
And about the things you wanted to see like dragging a file and so on: did you try it? I am currently switching between KDE 4.1 and what is going to be KDE 4.2 so I can&#039;t really tell you if it is all possible in 4.1 already (Also depends on what your distro backported...). So for now my advice for you is to wait and test live CD&#039;s every now and then and check if the features you need are implemented. For a _very_ large number of people 4.2 will be that release. For a considerable number 4.1 is that release already. And for some even 4.3 will not be it. There unfortunately is no 1-fits-all :/

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, it was not at all my intention to sound arrogant or tell people that what they feel is irrelevant. Contrary. What I did was show people all the new and cool stuff they can do with their new desktop in a rough time when a vocal minority bashed it publicly.</p>
<p>So about your concerns: If you feel that KDE 4.1 is not ready for you: fine! Absolutely no problem. Keep using KDE 3 for the time being. Noone is going to call you names for it <img src='http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And about the things you wanted to see like dragging a file and so on: did you try it? I am currently switching between KDE 4.1 and what is going to be KDE 4.2 so I can&#8217;t really tell you if it is all possible in 4.1 already (Also depends on what your distro backported&#8230;). So for now my advice for you is to wait and test live CD&#8217;s every now and then and check if the features you need are implemented. For a _very_ large number of people 4.2 will be that release. For a considerable number 4.1 is that release already. And for some even 4.3 will not be it. There unfortunately is no 1-fits-all :/</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Jafrate</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-186445</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Jafrate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
So there has been a lot of confusion about the KDE 4 desktop and FolderView lately and some nasty stuff I don’t want to go into right now. In the comments to Aaron’s blog someone said they don’t see how exactly it will be better and help them be more productive.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

@Lydia:  With all due respect I think it&#039;s incorrect to assume that the person about whom you are speaking is confused or blind to the possibilities of KDE4&#039;s advanced features.  You seem unable to understand that some people work in a production environment where losing the functionality of their good old desktop, limited though it may be,is a severe burden.  It doesn&#039;t matter how much better the new thing is, it&#039;s not worth a disruption in the work flow.  

From what I have read about this it would seem that the KDE4 developers were naive and arrogant when they decided to eliminate the old desktop functionality.  I don&#039;t mean to be starting a flame war here but I have yet to hear a sound reason for this decision.  

Ok so they have this plasmoid paradigm they want to utilize and it&#039;s plasmoids that get dropped on the desktop.   What&#039;s the big deal really?   To keep the old functionality they  just need wrap the icon with a tiny invisible plasmoid when it&#039;s dropped on the desktop.  It would have been the obvious first order of business IMHO.

Now I have read many times that it&#039;s possible to do everything in KDE4 that could be done in KDE3 such as dropping icons on the desk top.  And Lydia you have repeated this mantra but I have not yet seen a demonstration or an explanation of how this would be done.  I suspect that what is meant is something  like &quot;Well you can kind of sort of can do something that is kind of like what you used to do but you won&#039;t want to do it because it is not nearly as easy as it used to be...&quot;

Perhaps you would be kind enough in your reply to explain exactly how one would go about dragging a file, an application short-cut, and a url to the desktop in KDE4.1.   Exactly what has to be done, what are all the steps, and what does the result look like.

I&#039;m sorry if I sound nasty here but you can hardly expect to   treat technical professionals like ignorant boobs without any distension.  Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
So there has been a lot of confusion about the KDE 4 desktop and FolderView lately and some nasty stuff I don’t want to go into right now. In the comments to Aaron’s blog someone said they don’t see how exactly it will be better and help them be more productive.
</p></blockquote>
<p>@Lydia:  With all due respect I think it&#8217;s incorrect to assume that the person about whom you are speaking is confused or blind to the possibilities of KDE4&#8217;s advanced features.  You seem unable to understand that some people work in a production environment where losing the functionality of their good old desktop, limited though it may be,is a severe burden.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how much better the new thing is, it&#8217;s not worth a disruption in the work flow.  </p>
<p>From what I have read about this it would seem that the KDE4 developers were naive and arrogant when they decided to eliminate the old desktop functionality.  I don&#8217;t mean to be starting a flame war here but I have yet to hear a sound reason for this decision.  </p>
<p>Ok so they have this plasmoid paradigm they want to utilize and it&#8217;s plasmoids that get dropped on the desktop.   What&#8217;s the big deal really?   To keep the old functionality they  just need wrap the icon with a tiny invisible plasmoid when it&#8217;s dropped on the desktop.  It would have been the obvious first order of business IMHO.</p>
<p>Now I have read many times that it&#8217;s possible to do everything in KDE4 that could be done in KDE3 such as dropping icons on the desk top.  And Lydia you have repeated this mantra but I have not yet seen a demonstration or an explanation of how this would be done.  I suspect that what is meant is something  like &#8220;Well you can kind of sort of can do something that is kind of like what you used to do but you won&#8217;t want to do it because it is not nearly as easy as it used to be&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you would be kind enough in your reply to explain exactly how one would go about dragging a file, an application short-cut, and a url to the desktop in KDE4.1.   Exactly what has to be done, what are all the steps, and what does the result look like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I sound nasty here but you can hardly expect to   treat technical professionals like ignorant boobs without any distension.  Am I wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Is KDE 4.1 for you? &#171; Geekzine.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-178094</link>
		<dc:creator>Is KDE 4.1 for you? &#171; Geekzine.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/?p=211#comment-178094</guid>
		<description>[...] your &#8220;desktop&#8221;. However, it can still be configured to behave much like KDE 3 did. Seethis blog entry by Lydia PintscherÂ for some more information on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] your &#8220;desktop&#8221;. However, it can still be configured to behave much like KDE 3 did. Seethis blog entry by Lydia PintscherÂ for some more information on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KDE 4.1 - Non guardate indietro &#171; FreeGLOO</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-143395</link>
		<dc:creator>KDE 4.1 - Non guardate indietro &#171; FreeGLOO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/?p=211#comment-143395</guid>
		<description>[...] desktop. Tuttavia puÃ² essere configurato per comportarsi sostanzialmente come KDE 3. Vedi questo post di Lydia Pintscher per ulteriori informazioni su [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] desktop. Tuttavia puÃ² essere configurato per comportarsi sostanzialmente come KDE 3. Vedi questo post di Lydia Pintscher per ulteriori informazioni su [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FWILLY73</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-133775</link>
		<dc:creator>FWILLY73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LYDIA: Is there a way to define a negated filter. Also display all files, which are not documents? For example:
&lt;code&gt;!*.txt !*.doc&lt;/code&gt; or
&lt;code&gt;^*.txt ^*.doc&lt;/code&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LYDIA: Is there a way to define a negated filter. Also display all files, which are not documents? For example:<br />
<code>!*.txt !*.doc</code> or<br />
<code>^*.txt ^*.doc</code></p>
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		<title>By: RamÃ³n Antonio Parada</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-132314</link>
		<dc:creator>RamÃ³n Antonio Parada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/?p=211#comment-132314</guid>
		<description>I think it is a great feature and an step ahead from Desktop Icons. I think there must be two kinds of criticism:

1. People who don&#039;t want desktop icons to change as they are adapted to them (Always happen when you change something)

2. People that see that you can still go futher and get greater usability (Well we want to change the world! but cannot do it in one step)



So first, congratulations and thanks for the improvement. Second I hope my opinions can help. I never got many functionality from plasmoids in the background so sometimes I don&#039;t feel comfortable with FolderView because of it is not in my panel. Here are some of the problems I got:

1. To know if there was any change in the plasmoid content

2. Access to it&#039;s contents (If you are in &quot;keyboard mode&quot; there is a key shortcut but I never remember it. In most common &quot;mouse mode&quot; you got Show Desktop plasmoid. But in both cases you don&#039;t really want to hide all your windows, just to view a folder.)



It would be nice if FolderView could be taken in any way into the panel. Currently if you add a FolderView plasmoid to the panel you can&#039;t do anything. So would be nice if there is not enought space to show the icons where converted to a single one and then you click on it:
 
1. The plasmoid is shown in front of you with all the icons
2. Something like Leopard Stacks
3. Dolphin window
4. Somebody must have better ideas than me


In general it would be nice if all plasmoids could be in any way be minimized into panel to have an easy mouse access and visual access (to get notifications) so you can control the system from your panel! I think it&#039;s one of the OSX advantages in comparsion with KDE. You know http://fluidapp.com/ ?


Showing a search from Nepomuk in a FolderView is AMAZING!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a great feature and an step ahead from Desktop Icons. I think there must be two kinds of criticism:</p>
<p>1. People who don&#8217;t want desktop icons to change as they are adapted to them (Always happen when you change something)</p>
<p>2. People that see that you can still go futher and get greater usability (Well we want to change the world! but cannot do it in one step)</p>
<p>So first, congratulations and thanks for the improvement. Second I hope my opinions can help. I never got many functionality from plasmoids in the background so sometimes I don&#8217;t feel comfortable with FolderView because of it is not in my panel. Here are some of the problems I got:</p>
<p>1. To know if there was any change in the plasmoid content</p>
<p>2. Access to it&#8217;s contents (If you are in &#8220;keyboard mode&#8221; there is a key shortcut but I never remember it. In most common &#8220;mouse mode&#8221; you got Show Desktop plasmoid. But in both cases you don&#8217;t really want to hide all your windows, just to view a folder.)</p>
<p>It would be nice if FolderView could be taken in any way into the panel. Currently if you add a FolderView plasmoid to the panel you can&#8217;t do anything. So would be nice if there is not enought space to show the icons where converted to a single one and then you click on it:</p>
<p>1. The plasmoid is shown in front of you with all the icons<br />
2. Something like Leopard Stacks<br />
3. Dolphin window<br />
4. Somebody must have better ideas than me</p>
<p>In general it would be nice if all plasmoids could be in any way be minimized into panel to have an easy mouse access and visual access (to get notifications) so you can control the system from your panel! I think it&#8217;s one of the OSX advantages in comparsion with KDE. You know <a href="http://fluidapp.com/" rel="nofollow">http://fluidapp.com/</a> ?</p>
<p>Showing a search from Nepomuk in a FolderView is AMAZING!!</p>
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		<title>By: Boiko&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; About the Plasma&#8217;s FolderView</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-124816</link>
		<dc:creator>Boiko&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; About the Plasma&#8217;s FolderView</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FolderView is a very nice way of organizing your stuff and making everything quickly accessibleÂ in the desktop. It is also nice to see it supports kio and that it is being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] FolderView is a very nice way of organizing your stuff and making everything quickly accessibleÂ in the desktop. It is also nice to see it supports kio and that it is being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thedevilsjester</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-124043</link>
		<dc:creator>thedevilsjester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything that will let me get rid of the horrible KDE4 &quot;desktop&quot; and go back to sanity is a welcome addition!  This is one of the crucial apps that will make using KDE4 not so much of a chore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything that will let me get rid of the horrible KDE4 &#8220;desktop&#8221; and go back to sanity is a welcome addition!  This is one of the crucial apps that will make using KDE4 not so much of a chore.</p>
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		<title>By: Improvements in KDE&#8217;s Folderview &#171; /home/liquidat</title>
		<link>http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/06/14/folderview-is-the-awesome/comment-page-2/#comment-124024</link>
		<dc:creator>Improvements in KDE&#8217;s Folderview &#171; /home/liquidat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/?p=211#comment-124024</guid>
		<description>[...] plasmoid. With the release of KDE 4.1 Beta 2 several small improvements.  Folderview is an awesome plasmoid which makes it possible to show the content of a folder on a screen. It also is the first [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plasmoid. With the release of KDE 4.1 Beta 2 several small improvements.  Folderview is an awesome plasmoid which makes it possible to show the content of a folder on a screen. It also is the first [...]</p>
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